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Happy Hour / Re: we're excited about this
« Last post by bordercollie on January 19, 2018, 09:23:10 PM »
Bordercollie--I remember the store in Nebo, La.. it was in my work area.  They had delicious hamburgers, which I usually ate when working that area.  It was thriving located out in the boondocks of LaSalle parish.

Wow Ben !!  I was  living there in 1970-71 with my Dad's job. He was a logger then.  Remember that back room with the booths and pool tables. ? I think the jute box was just to the right of that door if I remember right?  CCR was also on there beside the good country western singers . Living there was like one of those movies..  anyways,I loved those burgers with all of that extra mayonnaise and every now and then, I'd get a corn dog .   Man !  Talk about ships passing  in the dark :)    Monroe, you are waking up many memories so thank you !!   judy
Happy Hour / Re: Wood burning stoves questions and hopefully answers
« Last post by bmbobbymack on January 19, 2018, 06:19:13 PM »
I heat my house with 4 infrared space heaters now. They do well except when its really cold. Believe it or not, its cheaper to heat this way veses propane, as ive used both. I dont thinknill ever use propane again! It yellows your walls bad. I live i. The house i grew up in, and we had an old ashley wood stove when i was young. We went to propane in the 90s, but it was like $.60-$.70 a gallon then. Now its about $3 a gallon on average here. Its considered a steal at $2.25 a gallon here. I also like the idea of not needing electricity for heat in the event of power outages. My uncle heats his house with wood, and says he burns about a truck load of wood a month at the coldest time of year, and thats less than three months here. He has central heat n air also. He said he sets the thermostat at like 65-68 degrees. He usually runs his house at 84 degrees with wood. He does this so if for any reason wood goes out, he has backup heat. I thought id do the same with the space heatsers.
General Discussion / Re: How I grow Beets ( in the High Tunnel )!
« Last post by Maggie13 on January 19, 2018, 06:10:22 PM »
Thanks for the link.
Since I do 4 plantings  I'll give it a try.
Happy Hour / Re: Wood burning stoves questions and hopefully answers
« Last post by bmbobbymack on January 19, 2018, 05:51:39 PM »
How big is the home you're heating? Did I miss that posted somewhere?

I wouldn't jump to the chore of burning wood in your location, and the hassle wouldn't be worth the trouble of dealing with wood. What I would do to reduce the bill is install a gas furnace. Convert it to propane, get a big tank and buy gas when it's cheap. If you really want the smell of burnt wood or the ambiance of a wood fire then buy a small small wood burner and that will reduce the gas costs when you're in the mood for a fire.

If you have central heating and cooling it makes installation easy, it should be a direct replacement and you can still use your A coil for A/C. You might have to hire an A/C guy to drain and then refill the Freon but you can do 90% of the work yourself.

I did a quick google search and found they're reasonably priced and I'm surprised some have a 96% efficiency rating.

I dont have central heat or air. I have about 1800 square feet, concrete floors block w brick walls. Walls are about 18 thick. I looked at the outdoor furnace thing, and have a friend that owns one. He likes his, but advised me to not install one unless i had access to a lot of free wood, which i dont compared to what he has.
Happy Hour / Re: Wood burning stoves questions and hopefully answers
« Last post by bmbobbymack on January 19, 2018, 05:45:47 PM »
bobby, i am not sure what a cord goes for there, but a pick up truck stacked level is what, like half a cord? 

regarding the amish thing...are you talking about like rr cross ties?   are they treated wood?
No. The ties are fresh untreated oak, hickory and hackberry cuts. There are many saw mills that offer this where im from.
Happy Hour / Re: Wood burning stoves questions and hopefully answers
« Last post by Ragun Gardener on January 19, 2018, 02:52:21 PM »
This is the way to chop firewwood without hurting your back.
Happy Hour / Re: Wood burning stoves questions and hopefully answers
« Last post by Daniel Grant on January 19, 2018, 02:03:37 PM »
I had a somewhat different experience than most of you. I had an old country 3000sq ft farm house with oil heat in North Georgia. It had 10 foot ceilings, 5 fireplaces without dampers and no insulation. This house was a heating knighting nightmare. This would have been in the late 80s. I might add I was a starving grad student and working for the local board of education. The first winter cold snap there the oil furnace did not shut off and you could see the dogs breath before you got out of bed. I knew I could not het with the oil heater nor afford to run it the way it was running. I purchased a "real" Fisher Grandpa Bear woodstove. They have cast iron doors with threaded screw  air vents on the doors.  I vented the flue into the fireplace with a steel sheet in front of the fireplace. It was extremely efficient and I had a damper in the flue to help control the burn. The Fisher was so air tight I could screw the 2 air vents on the door shut and the fire would quickly go out. Being air tight is very important if you really want to control the burn. I heated mostly free. There was a lumber yard near me and they let me have "standards" the trucks used to keep the logs on the truck. They tossed these when they unloaded. I also burned discarded wood pieces. I made a sawbuck and primarily used an electric chainsaw. I could cut the standards in 1/2 or sometimes 1/3rd length and they fit the stove perfectly. I heated all winter and I bet I did not use  a cord  or some winters a bit more than a cord. The Fisher was so efficient  the wood burned to an ash that was the consistency of flour without bits and pieces. This left much less residue than most stoves. Use a tin bucket with a lid to put your ashes in which keeps down the ash dust. It is good to leave some ash on the top of the bricks for insulation. I tried coal once and although it produced a lot of heat over a long period of time you could smell it in the coal smoke yard which was unpleasant to me. The home made and reproduction Fishers I have seen are never as efficient as the original i had. You can slid a steel plate over the top of the fire (better to weld it) brick and make a shelf and it creates  a change in the burn chamber which caused the gases produced from the burning wood to burn more completely. This increase the efficiency, amount of heat produced, and reduces the amount of gases and residue that goes up the chimney. In other words it gives you a cleaner burn. I have a small Jotul now that is made from cast plates. I had to disassembly and replace the "sealing" cord in the seams to make sure it was air tight. It also has a top shelf that causes a swirling of the gases in the burn chamber and more complete burn. I had and have friends who heat with wood and their stoves are not near as efficient as the original Fisher and they but way more wood to get the same heat as I did.

I had friends who put their woodstove in the basement  and then put a grate in closets or in the floor of rooms above the basement to let the heat rise into the rest of the house. I have also had friends who had their heater wired so they could use the fan to take warm air from the room the wood stove was in and distribute it to other room in the house.

You do need to have a noncombustible pad under your stove. There is a material you can get that looks sort of like thick sheetrock (the name escapes me, could be a senior moment) I cut it to fit and to meet fire specks. I put a metal sheet on top of this to support the legs. Code and your manufacturer will specify how far from the wall to place the stove. Inspecting and cleaning the chimney as previously noted is obviously important.
General Discussion / Re: How I grow Beets ( in the High Tunnel )!
« Last post by 1shotwade on January 19, 2018, 01:39:22 PM »
Maggie, I'm going to try "Sir Charles" method this year.Thought you might be interested also.
General Discussion / How I grow Beets ( in the High Tunnel )!
« Last post by Maggie13 on January 19, 2018, 01:22:09 PM »

 I didn't want to blow up the thread on growing Eggplants so I thought I would answer Gymgirls question here.

A beet seed is actually a cluster that can contain up to 6 seeds so I do NOT direct seed beets. I start them in seedling trays once a tray has been planted in the garden I reseed and start again: Can never have too many beets at our house.

IF you are very careful and gently pull the extra thread seedlings you can simply make a hole in another tray filled with starter mix and it WILL grow.

Once the seedling have reached a decent size with a good root:

 I transplant them into my prepared beds in  the High Tunnel 3" on center.


NOTES: I prep the bed with Alpaca manure, aged compost in the fall and Organic Garden Tone vegetable fertilizer scratched in just before I plant.
I do not fertilize them again but I will water with a weak solution of manure tea a couple of times when they are still young.

I also irrigate all of my beds with drip lines.

General Discussion / Re: tip/methods growing eggplant
« Last post by Gymgirl on January 19, 2018, 11:51:14 AM »
Yes, Maggie wins the garden of the year award!

I sowed two raised beds of beet seeds on Monday, January 8th.  Since then, we've been below freezing most of this week (at nights).  We had a bit of drizzle, too, but not too much.

Should I resow that bed, or, hold out hope that the seeds didn't a)rot, b)freeze, or c) give up the ghost.  They were fresh seeds, just purchased this year.

Lemme know.  Will be out bright and early sowing more seeds in other beds.

Thanks!  Also, what's your thinning method for the bed of beets in your pic?  I tried to space out the beet seeds, but, you do know how that turns out.  Did you clip them into submissive, nicely spaced stands?
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